Faking dc to survive

Merael Edon (164 Royal Paladin, Refugia) said:
Hey,

I've been watching alot of streams and clips with players faking they got dced to survive a tough situation. How come this works and is legal?
King Blessed on Beneva does this all the time without any shame.
What are your thoughts on this?

Evidence on 9:15. https://youtu.be/URGKqd4HnAk?t=555 [Do not look at external websites. Your account could get hacked.]
01/09/2017 13:52
Ud Zabada (104 Knight, Antica) said:
Police! This man is disconnecting his router! You cannot do that!
01/09/2017 14:43
Lubriany (134 Sorcerer, Calmera) said:
You mean Smart Exit? CIP considers it legal.

Yeah, it sucks and MUST be changed.
01/09/2017 15:01
Merael Edon (164 Royal Paladin, Refugia) said:
Rule 3a) Bug Abuse
Exploiting obvious errors of the game or any other part of CipSoft's services.

Exploiting obvious errors of any other part of CipSoft's services:
Also possible errors that might appear outside of the game may not be exploited, e.g. if there is a bug that allows you to manipulate the website in a way that you can transfer a character to another game world although it has a black skull, you are not allowed to abuse this error. CipSoft's services include among others all of CipSoft's other products and its websites. Therefore also a statement like "Yesterday I duplicated items in TibiaME by using this cool bug." may lead to a punishment.

How can they consider this not to be an exploit of their service? Do you have any forum post where CIPSOFT confirms this is legal? This is pure shamefull and 100% bug abusive.
01/09/2017 15:06
Great Ferret (4 None, Amera) said:
@Merael Ednon

This is not a bug, this is called 'Game weakness abuse'. It used to be illegal, but since a while back they changed the rules.

Basically, this happens because, if you disconnect due to a problem in the server/your provider, the game immediately picks it up and makes the creatures around stop attacking you, so you die fewer times unfairly. The obvious flipside for this is that you can do it on purpose to avoid traps and the such.

Also, it isn't considered illegal because, although they most often do it through using software, the same can be accomplished physically (i.e., unplugging and plugging your ethernet cable).

This is not the only one in the game as well. Every time you get a TP by logging out in a crowded place and log back in the temple, you're technically abusing a game weakness.
01/09/2017 17:16
Nawtscout (910 Royal Paladin, Wintera) said:
I've made 3 posts over the last year complaining about the exploit and all 3 have been shot down by the forum majority

Tibia players that stay level 100-150 forever and actually get saved when they lag out by this garbage system.

I gave up, but keep pushing to have it removed OP I wish you luck ^^
01/09/2017 17:42
Lubriany (134 Sorcerer, Calmera) said:
Originally posted by Merael Edon on 01.09.2017 15:06:41:

> How can they consider this not to be an
> exploit of their service?

Convenience CIP threw it against the wall and hoped some would stick. I sent an email years ago and CM Rejana said "Smart Exit is not illegal".

Why? Because there are many players doing it and they don't want it to get illegal. The cancer spreaded too much, their opinion poisoned CIPs mind to take the wrong decision. Now it is up to us true Tibians put CIP back to Earth and go rethink the mess it is causing to gameplay, specially pvp.
01/09/2017 18:25
Lubriany (134 Sorcerer, Calmera) said:
"Smart Exit is not illegal" e-mail response by CIP 1Lubriany:
> > Good evening. I would like to know two things:
> >
> > -Smart Exit allows a character to logout any time even if he/she is in
> > battle mode surrounded by monsters. Some proxy like Sem Lag and NoPing
> > have this feature. Is Smart Exit illegal?
> >
> > -If it is illegal, why some promoted fan sites are advertizing and
> > selling these proxies? Sites like TibiaBR, Cateroide, Portal Tibia and
> > TibiaWiki BR are promoting these proxies, and are still on the list of
> > websites supported by Cip Soft

CM Rejana
> Dear Lubriany,
>
> in accordance with the customer support team that takes care of the rule
> violation reports, I can say that no player would be punished for simply
> quitting his internet connection. There is no way for us to know with
> 100% certainty that this happened on purpose, or if the connection was
> lost accidentally.
>
> The smart-exit function in Tunnel services does the same thing. It cuts
> of your connection. There is no difference. For that reason, we do
> indeed tolerate this.
>
> Kind regards,
> Rejana

Lubriany

You cannot differ connection loss with Smart Exit, but YOU CAN see promoted fansites selling smart exit.

The thing is: CIP is promoting sites that sell Smart Exit, and this feature is CLEARLY unfair, gives disadvantage for fair players. You can't control Smart Exit, but you can control websites that YOU are supporting.

For those who thought Smart Exit isn't unfair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-MLBkeoW9s#t=9m9s

Watch carefully Wizz Dropsz (EK 388) loged out and in INSTANTLY and all mobs retargeted away from him. IN A MIDDLE OF THE PVP BATTLE!!!

Cateroide (the narrator) says in portuguese:
"This is the tatic. Run, in Roshamuul, you get traped use that system, you know, on proxy... Look there: loged out>the mobs step aside, huh?"

CIP needs to consider that Smart Exit is a bad thing for pvp and that cannot be encouraged. many supported fansites are selling proxy with smart exit. They are helping ruining Tibia
01/09/2017 18:33
Lubriany (134 Sorcerer, Calmera) said:
"Smart Exit is not illegal" e-mail response by CIP 2CM Rejana
> > > > Dear Lubriany,
> > > >
> > I'm sorry, but we will not remove the promoted status from TibiaBR,
> > TibiaWiki, PortalTibia or Cateroide - not unless
> > they advertise something on their fansites that players would actually
> > be punished for using.
> > It's not an unfair advantage for other players, since everybody can do
> > the same thing without the use of any extra tool or function.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Rejana

Lubriany

> Check again, Mrs Rejana
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni-ck7HDLWs#t=5m32s
>
> This is not something anyone can do by closing the Client. This is a
> forced logout instantly, and it even makes ALL monsters stop atatcking
> player instantly.
> Normal logout from Connection Loss takes SECONDS to work, Smart Exit is
> INSTANTLY.
> With Smart Exit, anyone with skull can leave the game in the middle of a
> battle. If this is not illegal, you could remove logout block enterily
> from the game, because you are still claiming this is not illegal, but
> only Smart Exit can do it.

CM Rejana
Dear Lubriany,

thanks again for your email. I forwarded your report here for an
internal evaluation, to get more information on the technical side here!

*This was in 9th october 2015
01/09/2017 18:35
Lee kun (445 Elder Druid, Pacera) said:
Originally posted by Great Ferret on 01.09.2017 17:16:39:

Besides this great answer given by Great Ferret (), I'd like to add that it doesn't make any sense to make it illegal if it won't be enforced. No, video proof isn't acceptable, even if it supposedly came from a live stream and whatnot.

The only solution to this problem would be removing the feature. Then instead of threads such as this one we would have even more threads complaining about deaths caused by lag.

I do agree though with the Fansite/Advertising thing. It would be a fair move by CipSoft if they forbid supported/promoted fansites to advertise software that offer the Smart Exit feature. They would at least have to choose between staying in the programme and giving up their sponsor or leaving like TibiaBR did.
01/09/2017 21:57
Inferna Talks (9 Druid, Antica) said:
Fact: it is useful for escape and save you a trip to the temple only if you are strong enough to survive it, dont tell me you prefer to die than using it, if you cant/dont want to buy a proxy is your problem.

@Lubriany

Yea its up to the "true tibians" like you that dont even care to play the game at all, yea they should listen to you

@Nawscout

In your case i agree, its annoying when your enemies use it to escape traps, basically forcing you to skull on them in order to kill them. But you know pvp is broken, its not about the smart exit, is about the fact you cant kill them as many times as you please
01/09/2017 23:07
Lubriany (134 Sorcerer, Calmera) said:
"you don' play the game" nice troll. I'd love to post with a lv 500 main char and get deleted due to reports

"Lacabrainy called me stupid gonna tell mommy"
[CIP] "Awn. Did he hurt you? Mommy's gonna teach him a lesson"
[Youarebanned, batch]

#Thread:

Smart Exit is for poo seas
01/09/2017 23:41
Ayukawa (326 Elite Knight, Antica) said:
It does feel bit sketchy and silly, but frankly, it's hard to create system like this which couldn't be abused in some way. I'd rather have it stay and let them abuse it, and not die to a few second disconnects myself. Benefits outweigh the drawbacks to me, by far.
02/09/2017 00:27
Cute Uzy (446 Elder Druid, Antica) said:
Easy solution, Battleye blocks both No Ping and Tibia tunnel untill they remove smart exit feature, as it is cheating.

Wont happen though, tibia 2017, too easy.
02/09/2017 06:44
Captain Calamari (191 Elder Druid, Antica) said:
Originally posted by Ayukawa on 02.09.2017 00:27:01:
> It does feel bit sketchy and silly, but frankly, it's
> hard to create system like this which couldn't be
> abused in some way. I'd rather have it stay and let
> them abuse it, and not die to a few second
> disconnects myself. Benefits outweigh the drawbacks
> to me, by far.

On the other hand, though, luring monsters on you becomes way easier and more appealing for players who can just use this so called smart exit.

I didn't know about this problem until recently I saw a video and thought "what the hell is this??"

Of course, having a real disconnect, it saves your soul and it's nice that it does.
02/09/2017 09:16
Ud Zabada (104 Knight, Antica) said:
Originally posted by Cute Uzy on 02.09.2017 06:44:37:
> Easy solution, Battleye blocks both No Ping and Tibia
> tunnel untill they remove smart exit feature, as it
> is cheating.
>
> Wont happen though, tibia 2017, too easy.

Oh noes. If they do that... players will have to write 2 lines of code to have "smart exit" again.
02/09/2017 11:27